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Let me tell you why IDSF is such a pain when it comes to running an Intenational dancesport competition. They are worst than your nagging grandmother, they want a Chief Adjudicator, they want to have their qualified adjudicators, they want to ensure that the Dance floor is of the acceptable size and much much more. The biggest thorn IDSF have and it is poking the WDC backside are the adjudicators. To the IDSF people the core of any IDSF dancesport competition is a level playing field for the competitors and the spectators too. I am not saying that all IDSF adjudicators are angels. Recently in Italy an adjudicator was caught altering the score sheet. Such black sheeps exist in every organisation, in IDSF case such people are an embarrassment and this chap was kick out of IDSF. Such incidences are an exception rather than the norm. 
Let me tell you why IDSF cannot accept WDC adjudicators to judge in IDSF competitions.
Now at this juncture let me qualify myself by saying that there are some very qualified WDC adjudicators whose integrity and honesty cannot be challenged. However it is the manner of going about to be registered as a WDC adjudicator that is being put to disrepute and questioned.
Do you have the desire to be a WDC International adjudicator? Seriously all you need is Pound Sterling 67.50 (inclusive of VAT). Do you need any professional dance qualification at all? No! you do not need any qualifications of any sort at all, but you certainly need to have Pound Stirling 67.50 and payment can be by Pay Pal , Visa or Master Card. 
Rather than keep you in suspense can you please go to the WDC marketing arm web site the Ballroom Dancers' Federation International (BDFI) click members and go to WDC International adjudicators. Fill in your name and the next page will ask you for your payment details. 
Hey! I am not saying that this is wrong, there are suckers born every second in this world and this is a commercial organisation, like the BDC. Your name will be listed in the WDC list of International adjudicators, whether you will be call to adjudicate any competition, no one knows and no one cares and no one bothers.
In the event WDC and WDC Amateur League can accept such qualifications who are we to say no? After all Ballroom dancing is an art form to them, some even goes on to say that the artistic part is the heart and soul of Ballroom dancing. I am not going to argue with you if you take that stand. For all I care, you can even pull straws to determine who comes out 1st to the 6th position.
I deeply regret to inform all of you out there that IDSF does not have such instant mechanism to be accepted as an IDSF International Adjudicator. On the contrary if you have no recognised Professional Dance Qualifications by IDSF, do not even try to apply unless you are a glutton for punishment.
Some even has suggested that the lack of respect and the belligerent attitude of IDSF is the cause of this war between IDSF and WDC. 
Belligerent to insist on qualified judges, yes, but really if WDC International Adjudicators can buy their way in, why should IDSF even want to talk about respect or have anything to do with WDC? Is respect really an issue here?                            

184 comments:

Paddy Slattery said...

Jesus Joseph and Mary! It is true after all.

JC Superstar said...

I could not believe the Blog writers accusations. That was before I went to BDFI web page. Oh Lord deliver us from this evil. Amen!

Dance Mate said...

When the ignorant pick up a pen to write on things they do not know this is just the misinformation for which IDSF have become famous

Dance Mate said...

I can understand how the people who read the ninsense by the blogger and saty WOW its true!! are the same people who read "Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon". WOW the cow jumped over the moon :))

Anonymous said...

I suppose you must be a WDC international adjudicator Dance Mate! The cow did jump over the moon. Ha Ha Ha

Paddy Slattery said...

Dance Mate, I thought that it is all gibberish. But take the trouble to go to BDFI web site and you can purchase the WDC license for 67 quid. Unless you are saying that that is not WDC international adjudicators license.
If it is not true pray tell what is not true? Incidentally isnt WDC a company?

WDC-AL said...

The Blogger appears to give the impression that the WDC International adjudicators are unqualified. This is furthest from the truth. The fact that you can buy the license is only the first step for all aspiring adjudicators. To be selected to adjudicate a WDC event is altogether another thing. Please be rest assured that all the WDC adjudicators selected to adjudicate are very qualified and they do bear professional dance qualification. I fully agrees with Dance Mate that this Blogger does not know what he is talking about. He is misrepresenting the actual situation to the readers.

James Torville said...

Dance Mate no point calling the Blogger ignorant and be sarcastic to him. He has made an allegation that I find hard yo believe. However when I check , what the Blogger claims appear to be true. Now you must' be a full blooded WDC supporter, that is fine but please explain you stand. By attacking the Blogger without reasons , it would only show that you are like a 3rd grade school child that resort to calling names to establish your superiority. I am sorry that is not how it works.
If WDC -AL reasons is true , is it not a case of putting the cart before the horse. Then let's pray to God to save English Ballroom. This is not the English way of doing things and an explanation from WDC would be in order. Dance Mate your comments so far are gibberish! .

Tooting Bec Tooters said...

Dance Mate I think must be sore to know the truth. Man getting conned for 67 quid. That is painful man, no one question WDC or BDC because we though that GOD has spoken but now with the European influence, we begin to open our eyes. I do not know what abuses lurks under WDC but it is time that the matter comes to light .

Dance fan said...

This blog seems to be deliberately misleading.

The adjudicators’ section of the WDC competition rules (which can be found on the WDC site) state various criteria for the nomination of international adjudicators including:

"In the style to be adjudicated, the person must have attained (in at least one of
the following professional championships):
1 The semi-final of a World, European or Continental Standard or Latin-
American Championships.
2 The semi-final of any World Series Professional Standard or Latin-American
Championships.
3 The quarter-final of the British Open Professional Standard or Latin-
American Championships.
4 The semi-final in all 10 dances of a World or European Ten Dance
Championship."

In addition the 2011 adjudicator licence application form for the British Dance Council, asks the applicant to specify the association or society they belong to and the qualifications held.

The roll call for WDC adjudicators contains far more illustrious names (dancing legends) than those for IDSF.

For someone who is supposed the represent the MDSF the blogger seems to have hardly any interest in Malaysian Dancesport, with practically every blog entry dedicated to discussing the British Dance Council.

Chalk Farm said...

Dance Fan , your explanation is appreciated. Perhaps from WDC web site you claim that WDC adjudicators are perhaps very qualified. That is not what the blog is harping at, he is not suggesting that at all.He even mentioned that some of the WDC adjudicators are very qualified. If you read the Blog carefully. What he seems to question is that you can buy a WDC International license from BDFI. Is that not true? I did not seen anything in the web page asking for my qualifications. How is he deliberately misleading?

dancefan said...

Chalk Farm
Thanks for your response (which is very considered). You are right that the BDFI website certainly seems to allow a person to buy a licence, which is puzzling and rather weird to say the least. However what is misleading, is the fact that the blogger them implies that those judging international competions may not be qualified. Well, there are controls on who is invited to judge a granted title say, or even a medallist competition and so that would simply not happen in practice.

So the problem is theoretical, not real (well I guess there is a problem that someone may have wasted £67!). But yes, I think there must be a better way for the BDFI to handle the applications for a licence - that criticism is valid.

Also, the idea that being a sporting organisation makes the IDSF less susceptible to corruption is misplaced. You only need to look at the current state of FIFA (who govern a sport which doesn't have the complication of subjective judgements too)to see that assumption completely pulled apart. Being a non profit making organisation also does not reduce the likelihood of corruption.


I guess I don't like this blog at all. I find it very confrontational and unconstructive in tone given that it is written by a senior representative of a dance organisation.

skydancer4 said...

Dance Fan please read my Blog carefully, I have qualified my statement that there are WDC adjudicators who are very qualified and their honesty and integrity cannot be questioned. You have noted what BDFI is doing and you agree that it appears strange that this is happening. Now every righting thinking person be they in IDSF or WDC Ltd. would note that this is not right.
To say I am taking pot shots on all WDC adjudicators is not entirely correct. What BDFI is doing has brought the whole WDC Ltd. adjudicators into disrepute. Please do not look at what I say in a slanted manner, WDC Ltd has got into WADA, that is positive for Ballroom Dancing.
What I write are all based on facts, and as far as possible I back up my allegations in the manner I see it. Like this BDFI selling the IDSF International adjudicators license. I am postulating that IDSF cannot accept those adjudicators from WDC.
You are not like Dance Mate who goes off tangent and insult and abuses my Blog with no reasons at all. Dancefan if you can shoot IDSF down with reasons, I will carry your remarks. I may not agree with you but I will carry it. I respect your views but to say I belittle and use the same paint brush to paint all WDC Ltd Adjudicators,that is not right.
Dancefan, I blame WDC Ltd. There is no way BDFI could collect monies without the connivance, permission and actual authority of WDC Ltd. With your writing, we hope there will be changes in WDC Ltd.
WDC Ltd may be older than IDSF that does not make it better than IDSF.
Note that I now refer WDC with the Ltd. This is to remind all that it is a corporate commercial organisation. Like all Commercial organisation , what is their main motive? Profit of course. Is that wrong? No it is not wrong at all. In this instance can anyone out there say that to sell the adjudicators license , is an act that have the interest of its members at heart? You figure that out!

Chalk Farm said...

Dance fan, I fully agree with you that the BDFI web site is rather strange, I do hope some action could be taken to stop the selling of the adjudicators license. I do not contribute much to this Blog but in this case I cannot help but agree with the Blogger. I concur with you that his words are rather sarcastic and sometimes uncouth, I do wish he refrain and restrain in his use of language. He could still deliver his point through quietly to WDC without the drama and sarcasm.

WDC-AL said...

Dance Fan how can you possibly admit and agree to this irresponsible Blogger. On one hand you claim that our WDC adjudicators are all qualified but on the other hand you say that what BDFI is doing is strange to you.
Getting a license is only a prelude to our journey to be a WDC adjudicator.Before we are call to judge any competition you know what we have to go through and it is a difficult journey. This is an IDSF Blog and I rather you not contribute on matters you know nothing about!

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Blogger or Skydancer, You have made your point and you must have embarrassed as you put it WDC Ltd. Have a life and can you just move on, it is none of your bloody business to interfere into what WDC do and we suggest that you clean your IDSF house first before you attack us.

James Torville said...

Whatever the conclusion is, WDC International adjudicators license can be bought from the BDFI web site. Personally I am disappointed and I feel ashamed to be misled all these years.

skydancer4 said...

Dance Fan and others, I make no apologies on my language and my use of words. I also would like to qualify that although I am associated with an IDSF body, that does not mean I follow them blindly. IDSF is a sporting body and in sports there is no such thing as a free for all. That is the reason why I emphasise that this " Freedom To Dance " espoused by BDC or WDC does not fit into IDSF way of looking at Danceesport or Ballroom Dancing.
Much as I try to look for a common denomination, I see difference in policies in both the bodies. The critisicm of BDC calling for boycott and using a silly rule to Boycott the Crystal Cup is an indication of desperation. The BDFI selling the International WDC International Licence are highlighted to tell all that these is what is happening in BDC and WDC. Sure Anon 1.38 pm says that it is none of my Bloody Business what WDC does. He is right there, it is none of my bloody business, but WDC should not moan and groan about IDSF policies in not recognising their competitions and IDSF's call for its members not to participate in their competition.
This is not a perfect world and Dancesport is also part of this imperfection. I am not here to win an argument but I want to place my arguments sensibly and question the dancesport issues sensibly.

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Dance said...

http://www.dance-matters.com/blog/2011/06/idsf-malaysian-sports-director-blog-makes-untrue-claims/

Dance said...

Anonymous - since I was not sitting at Blackpool you like rather stupid :))

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