Saturday, April 2, 2011

British Dance Council - Double Standard

I am indeed surprised by the contents of the letter below, what is more shocking to me is the letter comes from a Dance Body based in England. A country that have stood and fought many wars against tyranny and dictatorial regime. A country that gave the world West Minister Parliamentary democracy to many nations not only the Commonwealth.  A country that up holds basic commonsense and fair play.
Could it be true that the British Dance Council (BDC) that has endorsed WDC AL call For "Freedom To Dance" are now finding it hard to live by that slogan after all. Now the President of BDC, Mr Bryan Allen appears to be curbing this Freedom. 
He claims that acting on the instructions of the Board of Directors, BDC are asking Nick Kreminchenski and Olga Komarova to confirm that their "Crystal Palace Cup 2011 IDSF event will be held under BDC rules and not under any rules of any other organisation. Does that makes sense to you? An IDSF competition running under BDC Rules? I suppose a sane Englishman would say, what a load of poppycock. 
Before we get into the legality of the acts of BDC, you can safely assume that there is an underlying threat made by the Board of Directors of BDC against the organisers probably to scuttle the Crystal Palace Cup 2011, should the championship be conducted under IDSF regulations.
Two Rules were quoted; BDC Rule 82(b) and Rule 57, where the sanction is disciplinary action. This bunch of Merry Andrews comprising the Board of Directors may perhaps suspend the organisers or terminate their membership, but we know that by that same BDC Rules, BDC will put out a message to boycott the event. 

Are not the BDC being hypocritical, on the one hand they espouses "Freedom To Dance" but in the United Kingdom that Freedom to Dance no longer exists. This is a case of what is sauce for the Goose is not the same for the Gander. So I beg to ask what is so different about Competition in the United Kingdom that this Freedom to Dance concept is not applicable there?  BDC is behaving like the Orwellian "Big Brother" a veritable dictator and a pathetic school yard bully.  
BDC no longer have the moral or legal rights to criticize IDSF or any Dance body in the world for implementing their Rules. For a body that has existed since 1929, it is indeed sad to see it sinking into the gutter!     
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21 comments:

Fair play said...

Yes mate what does it mean running an IDSF event with BDC Rules? Mr. Allen, you must clarify this.

Neutral Dancesport observer said...

Dear Skydancer, It is obvious that you are an IDSF supporter, your Blog says so. However I read your Blog with an open mind. What do you hope to achive or IDSF hope to achieve by taking on BDC? I feel IDSF must think very hard that now BDC has fired its first salvo on the CRystal Palace Cup 2011. Is IDSF going to put an all out ban on all the UK championships including Blackpool? What about the agreement in 1978 between IDSF and BDC ? Who is in breach IDSF or BDC?

John said...

Dear neutral Dancesport observer, what I wrote are oily my views and not IDSF views. Judge me not because I am the sports director of MYDF the IDSF body in my country. I ask you to look at the facts with an open mind. What IDSF chooses to do is beyond me. Whatever decision taken it will be with the collective decision of the members at the next general meeting.
I do hope BDC and IDSF can meet and talk. 15th June 2007 agreement is anything to go by, I feel BDC has fired the 1st shot. Whatever I stand by what I report in this Blog and I encourage you to vent your views.

Anonymous said...

BDC has to examine its stance in acting hostile against IDSF that is working on 'Olympic' agenda. What is BDC trying to prove? Is there anything to gain? Or is BDC implying, who cares?

It is painful to see personalities associating a fine organization with a strong tradition as one that cannot see the broader picture for the future.

If the 'Olympic' agenda is not important, why does WDC want to join the WADA bandwagon? It just does not make sense, isn`t it?

BDC guys, think hard before you leap.

Dance Mate said...

Dear Mr Sport Director

Are these your words? Can we read these words on this very website?

"and like any Sports Body we have rules to follow. That is reality"

Why then do you show double standards and attack the British Dance Council for sending a letter pointing out they have "Rules". The reality is they have behaved correctly.

You talk about BDC abandoning "Freedom to dance". Typical IDSF misinformation and not true.
BDC are in fact wishing to proect Freedom to Dance in the United Kinbgdom. There is no place for bans, threats, restrictions, events open only to those who belong to one body. This is why the BDC oppose IDSF events in the United Kingdom because the IDSF policy is to deny Freedom to Dance.

Just for the record the IDSF member in Russia has lost many many cases brought against it for attempting to enforce bans. The policy is illegal in Russia and many other countries too.

skydancer4 said...

Dear Dance Mate, thank you for your views. IDSF is a sports body, by that I am emphasising the fact that all sports body have their rules and regulations. Sure you may critise that their rules are strict but you can see that these regulations are accepted by the International Olympic Committee ( IOC)if they are draconian and without a purpose , do you think the IOC would endorse IDSF and accept them as a member?
Take a look at BDC a body incorporated since 1929, just pause and look at BDC's motto "Dance for Pleasure Love it Forever". No one is stopping them to Dance for pleasure, but IDSF is taking Dance to a sporting level. Why can't BDC accept that.
You say that they are protecting themselves from IDSF by calling for a ban on IDSF competition. Dance Mate, that runs counter to Freedom To Dance that they espouses.
I agree that there is a ruling in Russia against IDSF, unless you have full facts of the matter I would love to read the facts ofthe case. Please try and understand I am not not here to defend IDSF, if their policy is wrong, it will be wrong. But is BDC doing the right thing here by calling their members to boycott the Crystal Palace Cup? For a body that look at dancing as a social avocation, calling for a boycott is hardly Dancing for pleasure. Your views in any event are appreciated, that is Freedom is it not, to disagree to mine.

Dance Mate said...

I van see your blinkers tightly cover your eyes.
You still insist IDSF can have their rules and enforce them. If any other parties remind people of their Rules theyv are guilty of Double Standards. This however is typical of the IDSF.

You talk about the IOC. They simply do not care about "dancesport!" it will never be a Medal Sport so they have no interest. The Italian Judging Scandal was the lasrt nail in the coffin for Dancesport as a Medal Sport. IDSF Rules are against both the Olympoc Charter and the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

Dance Mate said...

Since you do not want to be associated with dance you certainly chose the wrong name. Sky athlete or Skysporter ?
It is amazing how those lacking real talent, skill, artistry, musicality, emotions want to call dance sport.
No wonder the WDC Asian Amateur League is growing.

Dance Mate said...

Just for the record BDC are acting in accoradnce with the wishes of the large majority of English Amateur dancers.
DanceSport England the IDSF member has only 64 people registered. 32 couples and many of those do not have competitions in the Age and Category at the Crystal Palace Cup.

Wgen EADA was the IDSF member they found couple after couple rejected the invitation to represent their country in an IDSF Championship.

Crawley Dance Option said...

Dance Mate, what is wrong with you? The issues are clear, BDC cannot blow hot and cold. Is there Freedom To dance in the UK or not. Looking at BDC call for a boycott they are not practising what they preach. I am not bothered about the IDSF issue , to us dancers, we just want to dance. If IDSF accept us and place no restrictions what is BDC's problem? I think you have your priorities all mixed up.

Sporting Sam said...

Dance Mate you are a typical BDC member that supports BDC without even considering the matter. Shooting IDSF does not help your cause, the Skydancer has pointed out certain acts by BDC that is illogical. One is Section 57 of the BDC Rulebook.
The other is Freedom to Dance, you thinking is warp, just because IDSF have their rules and they are wrong, you cannot act like IDSF. An eye for and eye and this tit for tat does not justify your actions. 2 wrongs does not make a right.
Skydancer has articulated his views very clearly and we are waiting for an explanation from BDC. If you are the voice of BDC or like Sniguloe Wood, you are sinking the BDC cause. I suggest you get Bryan Allen or some one rational to answer the issue raised.

WDC AL supporters said...

Dance Mate look at the big picture. BDC is not at all important. What matters for us is WDC, they have made great headways in joining WADA. The reason is simple, we do not want to be left out of the Olympics should Dancesport be in the Olympics one day. We of course hope that IDSF will be kicked out of the IOC and WDC can take over their place, we hope the IOC can see the injustice and the breach of the UN Declaration of Humnan Rights cause by IDSF. We thank your support but certainly we want Dancesport to be in the Olympics one day. Thank you

Dance Mate said...

The British Dance Council granted Bryan Watsin, Carmen, Hanse Galke, Andrew Sinkison the right to organise a great new event "The London Ball". The IDSF immediately declared it was banned to competitors and judges. It then suspended the judging licences of 3 great former World Champions who ignored threats and judged. IDSF morality in action.
Was this friendly, co-operative, in the best interests of dancesport?
Did this ban in any way contribute to the development of dance sport?
The answer to both questions is NO.

Certain IDSF member countries have banned their couples from participating in great British Championships like the British Open, The UK Open, the International. These 3 events are supposed to have the support and recognition of IDSF and they are (were) not "Unregistered events". Did IDSF reprimand these member bodies? Of course not they actually once issued a letter of support! IDSF claimed their member bodies must make their own decisions. This is the same IDSF who then ban couples who dance in an event which their National Body had said "dance if you wish".

Now the IDSF Presidium tries to make out that the BDC are the bad guys.

Yet they have the audacity to accuse others of Double Standards and lacking in morality!!





The IDSF have adopted the position "We and the WDC are moving in different directions".

IDSF claim they have elevated dance to SPORT. The WDC have failed and want to be art and culture.

Fair enough IDSF that is your position, it is your claim.

So please explain IDSF how you refuse to allow "athletes" to participate in "art and culture"? That is not acceptable. IDSF want it both ways. Truly IDSF are experts in Double Standards

Dance Mate said...

WDC AL supporters believe me no one looks at the bigger picture more than I.
You have only to see the abuse hurled here because people cannot handle the true situation.
WDC joined WADA as Dance. They neotiated a Special Programme for those involved in Competitive Dance.
The Olympocs is a waste of time no form of Ballroom or Latin Dancing will ever be an Olympic Medal Sport.
The IDO (international Dance Organisation) will soon leave IDSF and their Vision 2012 is on crutches. Stand by for more IDSF misinformation and double standards

Dance Mate said...

Crawley Dance Options for a big laugh. Do you truly believe your own words. Please tell me No.
You write
"we just want to dance. If IDSF accept us and place no restrictions what is BDC's problem? I think you have your priorities all mixed up."
Have you not realised the restrictions placed? Oh boy!!
Do yu not realise competitors are banned from dancing at Crystal Palace because their National Member banned them for dancing in the UK Open!!!
Open your eyes to what is happening.

Dance Mate said...

For the record I live in Eastern Europe. However I use my brain, my eyes, my ears and this is why I can say the |British Dance Ciouncil are not the agressors here.

Dance Mate said...

Life the IDSF way. These are VERY true stories.

A Russian couple arrive in Poland for an IDSF event and approach the organiser with the question "What is the proce to reach the final roday?"

In Czech Republic an IDSF 10 Dance Championship. A couple learn they have enough marks to reach the next round so sit out a dance or two. Good way to coserve energy.
Cheating as much as drug taking.

Dance Mate said...

Read and learn :))

http://www.swissdancersforum.com/t480-the-hypocrisy-of-those-associated-with-idsf#1824

Dance Mate said...

http://www.swissdancersforum.com/t482-live-from-a-future-grand-slam-final

skydancer4 said...

Dance mate all your rantings will be left on this Blog for all to read. I truly regret that you are against the notion of getting Dancesport in the olympics. Why? All because IDSF was accepted by the IOC. I am sure if WDC are accepted in you would sing a different tune. You are bad news to both wdc and Idsf who believe in sports.wdc reason of getting into wada is because of the olympics. Do not be naive about this.
Now if it is art and culture that you claim wdc is promoting, do you need to join wada? Come on call a spade a spade. Speak positively and get to the point dance mate.

Crawley Dance Option said...

Dance mate, you say you are from Eastern Europe but this is an English problem with IDSF . You do not know the situation in England. If BDC is honky dory, we in EADA would remain in BDC, but we left. Yes we cannot agree with the policy of BDC. Even before this call for boycott we saw the situation in BDC are not what they claim to be.
Dance mate to understand sport you have to understand the reason why rules are created. Sure some of the IDSF rules are tough but then look at other sports like football? You think you can play in the world cup if you are not a member of FIFA? Tell FIFA that and they will probably show you the bird.
You want to look at dance purely on culture musicality fun and do what you want no one is stopping you. The issue is the Crystal Palace Cup, why boycott the event just because it has and IDSF event there. We in Crawley will support the event, and really if you are in eastern Europe and knows nothing in England please butt out. You go and kill IDSF in your own country if you want to. Really people like you are not appreciated.